In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. Not really a question of need for me. Original loads were 125, 150 and 165 grain bullet weights. RD if you don't think you need it, you probably don't. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of … It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. VS 30-06. Admittedly I am a 284 kinda guy. SJB358 Post subject: Re: .280 AI or .284 Winchester. The only consideration here . Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. That is the velocity difference apparently according to Noslers load data. Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. bullet over 3,400 fps. What don't you like about the 28 Nosler ? Where the .280 Ackley Improved differs from the .280 Rem. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. .280 Remington Don . Practice days earlier. It shoots the 160-168's fine. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. However the ballistic coefficient of equal weight bullets favors .270 caliber bullets over 7mm (.284) bullets of similar design. The .280 Remington does, however, have a larger than expected number of European users in imported self-loading rifles such as those by Remington. One of P.O. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150 grains and above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. During the name change initial confusion resulted in one production run of barrels having 7mm06 stamped on them. If you want something else to shoot at the farm, hunt with, and run to long range,just get a 6.5 Creedmoor. Consequently, I have two rifles chambered in .280 Remington (a Winchester Featherweight and a Remington Anniversary Model), so I haven't felt the need to own a .280 AI at this point. Mag. Selling my custom Remington 700 in .280 Ackley Improved... (Shoots 7mm bullets...fyi) 1) Remington 700 Action Blue Printed, bolt and lugs trued and lapped. There are also many more factory loads available for the .270 Winchester over the .280 Remington at a lower price point due to the .270's much greater popularity. Haven't shot anything heavier. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. Improved 40 Degree. Go. I already have a 280 Ackley. He then changed the 35-degree shoulder to 40-degrees and the .280 Ackley Improved was born. Joined Mar 25, 2011 Messages 1,115 Location Reno, Nevada. the .280 improved is one of the "rare" ackley rounds that does actually show an appreciable improvement in velocity with most bullet weights. Top. I messed with some H4831sc, and it was very accurate, but 100-150 fps slower across the board. Anyone have any ideas of ballistics? Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. Shoulder is set at 40-degrees. Don Fischer. The .30-06 is substantially more popular and manufacturers thus offer a much greater selection of loads at a substantially lower price point. The three Windage columns do the same with deflection. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. Go. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. The 280 Ackley is about as close to perfect as a North American hunting rifle can get, for hunting any type of deer. Speer Reloading Manual Number Ten (1979), p. 182, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.280_Remington&oldid=993152641#.280_Ackley_Improved, Articles needing additional references from January 2013, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 9 December 2020, at 01:53. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. Joined Dec 12, 2014 Messages 46. The three … Ackley. 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data ; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data; 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum Load Data; 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester … If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. In a horse race,with everything equal(it never is)the 7 Rem Mag is going to be the fastest because it holds more powder.If you dote on shear velocity,get a 7 mag; if you want the most velocity in a standard action, get the AI.If you don't care about either,get the 280...whatever keeps your gunwales above the highwater mark. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. Thread starter Greg Duerr; Start date Feb 25, 2018; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; 1; 2; Next. This resulted in people confusing it with the 7 mm Remington Magnum, and Remington changed the name back to .280 in 1981.. I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. 6.8 Remington SPC Load Data; 27 Nosler Load Data; 270 Winchester Load Data; 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data; 270 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Mauser (7×57) Load Data; 7mm-08 Remington Load Data; 284 Winchester Load Data; 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data Despite the distance of time, some of his developments – notably the .30-30 Ackley Improved, the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .280 Remington Ackley Improved – enjoy considerable popularity today. The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. When P.O. In the heavier bullets (150 grains and above) of similar design the .280 Remington has a slight edge in muzzle energy. … if you pulled a 600yshot, and missed the vitals, it would be nice to have the big bullet still moving fast. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. He then changed the 35-degree shoulder to 40-degrees and the .280 Ackley Improved was born. I’m also having a 25-06 A.I. Ackley gave the .280 Remington a steep 40-degree shoulder and straightened out most of the cartridge case’s body taper, he likely knew he was on to something special. Posts: 3213 . It will be worth it if you shoot the 180 bergers or better yet the 195 gr Elite hunters, use a Bartlein tube twisted 8-8.5" for the 195's or go 9" for the 180's! Is it too much for you to shoot all day? Top . Nov 13, 2013 #2 MudRunner2005 … Not really a question of need for me. While it is true that a .280 Remington case can be formed from a .30-06 Springfield case, the case length of a .30-06 is 63.3 millimetres (2.494 in) while the case length of a .280 is 64.5 millimetres (2.540 in), the same as a .30-03 Springfield. Posted: Thu … It's a rem action, 24" rock #3 contour, mcmillan rem hunter stock. The recoil characteristics of the .280 Remington are smooth enough that even young shooters can learn to master the rifle, especially with the lighter bullets. Nov 16, 2013 #6 Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. With equal weight bullets of similar design the .270 Winchester surpasses the .280 Remington's long range velocity and energy due to the 270's higher ballistic coefficient according to Federal's ammunition catalog. I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A NEW RIFLE IN A 280 Ackley IMPROVED. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. by 100 fps. Oct 25, 2016 #5 MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Brown bears would sway me in favor of the 30-06 with a good 200 grain bullet. Other than the fact that I had to use obscure powders like 217, 869 and RL33, with significantly more recoil, to get a couple clicks difference out to how far I kill critters...not much. Originally cases were fire-formed by shooing a .280 Rem. 1 of 2 Go to page. The primary difference between the standard.280 Rem. Not worth it for your described situation. Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . The.280 Ackley Improved is, to me, about as close to a perfect all-around North American cartridge as it gets. The older wildcat has several names including 280 Ackley Improved 40°, 280 Rem Improved 40°, 280 Imp 40°, 280 Ackley, 280 Rem Imp, and more. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. Location: Antelope, Ore . I am thinking of up grading my long range hunting from the 270 wsm to a 280 Ackley. I love that thing and am a huge fan of the .280 AI and the .280 Remington. With RL-26 my load is at 2950 with the 160 Accubond and 2925 with the 162 ELDx. Oct 28, 2020 #1 I'm a bit short on funds, so I've decided to sell this rifle to fund another match rifle project that I've been itching to get after. Over time, due to confusion between the 7mm Express Remington and … Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. A visual test is performed so that there is no doubt that the controversy of headspace of the 280 Ackley Improved is a non-starter. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. The LRX says it needs a 1:8. Jan 14, 2017 #1 Non-Lead Hunter Active member. The .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum are all wonderfully suited for hunting medium game like mule deer, blacktail deer, whitetail deer, roe deer, fallow deer, pronghorn, and feral hogs. The difference is minimal, much like the comparison between the .308 and .30-06, and with the … The .30-06 produces more energy than the .280 with bullets heavier than 180 grains, though .284" 175 grain bullets have a high sectional density of .310, compared to the 30-06 180 grain bullet with a moderate sectional density of .271. Ackley’s designs. Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the .280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard .280 Remington. Either one would work fine for the animals that you mentioned. Wonder if anyone can give their impressions on the .300 WSM or .280AI. I just had a .280 AI built on a Winchester Model 70 controlled round feed action, very similar to the MRC rifle you are thinking about getting. You mention barrel wear y opt for the 26 high BCover the 28. _____ Fortiorum fortia facta. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Also which one has the largest case capacity? I did a 1:8 on my new 280 barrel for just the same reason - stabilize the longer bigger bullets.. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. Kill was 115 yds with .280 AI. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. According to Derek Peterson, president of Peterson Cartridge, “The .280 Ackley Improved casing will launch a 7mm, 120 gr. Joined: 03/24/2005 . Nevertheless, either chambering will serve you well, putting a grin on your chin each time you touch it off. 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